A new approach?
I think i recall as a child, some rabbi promoting that idea. sounds good. but the knesset will never listen-they & they're friends stand to gain too much. when they give away land in yesha, the land they own inside the green line will increase in value.

The Right Road to the Prime Ministership
The Elon peace plan, should be entitled "The Right Road to the Prime Ministership." MK Elon seems, at times, to be the one lone voice of reason in the maddness that surrounds us. While others quit the govt., MK Elon has stayed in ring to fight for our freedom and our land. Kol Ha Kvod PM Elon.....er, I mean MK Elon (for now).

Now we are talking!
Mr. Elon's plan is much closer to the truth. Jordan is Palestine and close to 70% of its population are palestinian arabs. That is where the self-appointed "quartet" should concentrate its efforts - how to resettle the arabs from Yesha (and from the rest of Israel if they will not pledge allegiance to Israel) in Jordan. No concessions painful or painless. Arabs were given too many chances and blew them all - they have NO CREDIBILITY!

Back to basics
YasherKoach Benny! Start to get rid of the old British and French colonial plans, and return to biblical borders to reach a righteous outcome. But this will need a realisation of equally biblical proportions that herein lies truth and validity. May we merit its achievement in our lifetimes.

And the Jordanians?
Unfortunately for the deeply misguided Mr Elon, Jordanians would never accept their state being manufactured into the de facto Palestine. Israel has to understand that its Arab neighbours back the establishment of a Palestinian state according along the 1967 borders. While this might not suit Mr Elon, given his obvious fear of anything Arab, it's the reality he and the rest of the Israeli administration should have been dealing with years ago if they really wanted 'peace'.

Somehow...
...I wonder if *anyone* would agree to this. It's a fantastic plan, but I can't imagine the US, EU, UN, Arab League, Jordanians, PA, ISM, the American Jewish community or Israeli left (who, let's be honest, set the agenda in this country) would ever agree to something as far-reaching as this. Unfortunately, the world's agenda goes more in the other direction...getting the Jews out of Israel, not the Arabs. The world's majority opinion seems to be more in line with the one in the Neruei Karta article..."once the Jews get off of Arab lands and go back into ghettos where they belong, there will be world peace." I guess I'm going to have to vote for Benny now, though :)

Elon plan
this is the only plan that makes any sense. go for it!

Kol Hakavod, Rabbi Elon!
In addition to saying Tehillim (Psalms), please tell us what we can in Chutz LaAretz (outside of Israel) to make this plan a reality.

ILLUSIONS
When will Israel accept reality ? There can be no peace with Islam. When dealing with Muslims one must always think in terms of security, never peace. The sooner Israel stops chasing an impossible peace the better. Any negotiations, appeasements or treaties with Muslims are absolutely worthless and doomed to failure. Although this is an unpleasant reality, it is one that must be accepted. Stop talking about peace already, because it is unattainable.

"Which is being mailed to all Jewish residents of Yesha"
At least the plan will have an use: the paper can serve as stuffing for crates that will carry the belongings of JEWISH families expelled from Yesha by sharon. it is nothing more than a pipe dream, a castle in the clouds. good luck on the fat chance!

"A sure recipe for war in the future"-
would be any attempt to transplant the entire Palestinian people into an unwilling Jordan, as "Sarah" points out. But Benny Elon clearly is not interested in future ramifications of creating an even more hostile neigborhood in the Middle East. The "Palestinians" have spent 50 years developing a cultural history and nationhood- and now Benny Elon wants to force them into what will be perceived as their Babylonian exile? They'll be singing "If I forget you, O Al-Quds" next, irritating their Jordanian hosts who will probably be only too eager to help them fight their way back to Al-Aqsa. Elon should put his talents to use elsewhere.

To Sarah:
One ought to give credit to Elon for "thinking outside the box" no matter how difficult his ideas might seem. Nevertheless, Elon admits himself that it is unlikely that his plan will be implimented exactly as it currently stands. He is simply trying to come up with a more workable solution than the failed "land-for-peace" concept. Israelis, including Elon, are fully aware that the surrounding Arab nations favor the establishment of yet another Arab nation inside British Mandatory Palestine. That does not mean, however, that Israel must accept these demands. To do so, many feel, would leave Israel with undefendable borders. Elon does not "fear anything Arab". He fears, as do most Israelis, being overrun by advancing Arab armies, as almost happened in 1947-48 and 1973. Unlike yourself, Israelis are unwilling to sweap history under the rug and retreat to undefendable borders in return for vague promises by nations that have in the past tried to destroy them. The reality Israel must deal with is not that the Arabs have accepted Israel's soveriegnty along some hypothetical borders, but that the Arabs have never really accepted a Jewish State in their backyard at all, and most likely never will. Any objective reading of history will demonstrate that it is Israel that has sought peace by making dangerous concessions over and over again. The Arab nations have made none, other than grudgingly accepted peace treaties, to which they are only marginally committed. Meanwhile, the Islamic concept of "peace" is altogether different than the Western world's concept of peace. Israel and the West define peace as the absence of hostility between nations. The Islamic definition of "peace" refers to the successful conclusion of Jihad, worldwide Islamic hegemony under Shari'a law, and a unified Dar al-Islam. Their is simply no room for a Jewish (or any non-Muslim) state under this definition of "peace." The reality that Arabs must face is that the West will resist Jihad, and that Jihad will ultimately fail. Therefore, Arabs must accept a Jewish state on the original Jewish Homeland, the Land of Israel. That includes the disputed territories that Arab attackers succeeded in holding briefly from 1948 to 1967.

Alon Plan
And what about Egypt? They could help too. Instead of open tennels to destroy Israel, they could support their poor brothers in huge areas of uninhabited lands. Not to forget Saudi Arabia with a million square miles of territory. Cant they do just a bit for their muslim brothers?? Now, Iran and Iraq, when will they help?? And Lebanon too. Not to forget Turkey. Wait a minute-- dont Pakistan love their brothers?

Comments:Benny Elon Plan!
Yasher Koach and Kiol Ha Kavod to MK.Elon,here is an Israeli who has "Khakma",unlike those "Leftwing defeatists".

And They Said...?
B"H "Golly, why didn't we think of that?" ____________ Long ago (more than 35 years) I read that when asked by the British who they were, Palestinian (which then meant Israeli), or Jordanian, they responded, "Jordanian." If that's what their passports were stamped, and Jordan was o.k. with it then, this SHOULD be a "no-brainer," especially since setting aside an Arab portion of the mandate was one of the reasons they gave for establishing Jordan.

Amnesia
B"H -- ******************** Dr., I'm afraid the patient is delirious again. ******************* Jus because we forget the lessons of history, doesn't mean our enemies do. ** http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/bravo/blacksept1970.htm

learn from history
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/september.html

Benny Elon Presented "Jordan is Palestine" Plan to Prince Hassan
Certainly has my vote! We need to start negotiating with an actual partner -- this seems to be a good first step in that direction.

Amen
Either this plan or complete expulsion of the 'palestinian arabs' without a choice. Ever wonder why no 'arab' country has wanted 'them'? The word 'palestinian' is a political phrase meant to become a fifth column in Israel. The only thing the 'west bank' is west of is Jordan, making its 'arab' occupiers Jordanian. If Israeli's are supposed to leave the 'gaza strip' and 'west bank' then all 'philistian arabs' should be made to leave Israel. I think in this case Israel is the true winner having rid itself of it's economic leeches.

JOIN THE CAMPAIGN TO LEGALIZE YESHA
The one thing Bush understand is votes. So that is what we will use agaginst him.I have wrtitten a petition giving Bush a deadline for recognizing the legality of Israels hold over Yesha and the Jewish communities there. please read, sign and pass on the petition at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eyisrael/petition.html

Servant
I think thats how the Torah says it should be. Good job and G-d be with him.

Hurray for Elon plan!
This is the ONLY plan that uses actual historical events as a reference point rather than tendentious blathering lies of the Arabs of Palestine. This is the only plan that is mature and for adults.

jordan is israel...
all the land conquered under moshe, yoshua, david and shelomo plus the extra promised us when moshiach comes... all of this land is ours and only ours forever... G-d gave it to the jewish people and to no one else and all of it, every square inch, is forbidden to be ceeded by us to any goy; individual or nation and since we believe in G-d this is true and we are not allowed to waver from this stand ever not even to save lives because giving up our land is a chillul Hashem and this is especially so when we know for certain that they don't mean peace and never have but even if they really did we would not be permitted to relinquish territory for peace!!! the only way i would be in favor of this plan is if all arabs from all parts of the rest of israel would leave and move to jordan that way when they start up and you know that they would we could much more easily destroy them and wipe them off the rest of our G-d-given land... as a ploy it is fine as a solution it is a sin... and as such would be a recipe for disaster for the jewish people... ta... nik.

Dear Sarah
I appreciate your forthright repetition of the 'moderate' Arab position. You have stated the gap between 'moderate' Arabs and Israelis with any sense of self-preservation. We can not accept your dictated solution, so we will have to move you towards a reasonable compromise. That is exactly what Elon is proposing - a reasonable compromise. Sadly there will be much more conflict until this happens.

The beauty of this plan...
is that it gives EVERYONE part - the most important part - of what they want, and forces everyone to be freed from their most harmful aspects: Jordan will gain Western support & stability; Israel will gain peace; and the Arabs of Israel (who call themselves "Palestinians") will gain the opportunity for national self-determination. At the same time, each side will have to relinquish that which most harms them: Jordan will have to relinquish part of its dictatorial tyranny; Israel will have to relinquish the Oslo terrorism process; and the Arabs of Israel will have to relinquish their occupation of Israel and their oppression at the hands of the IDF and "settlers". Obviously, the most vicious opposition will come from those who most hate and fear peace, principally those on the left of the political map (Labour, Hamas, Meretz, Peace Now, ISM, , etc. etc.).

A Voice of Reason and Wisdom
Mr. Elon unfortunately was eliminated from government, because his voice of reason and wisdom clashed with the leftist dribble about exchanging land for peace-- failed everytime, and will fail again. What a shame it is that so many more Israelis must be terrorized and murdered, before the morons on the left, and those of the right, infected by the mental disease of the left, realize that the plan of Mr. Elon are reality based, but not easy to implement (Arabs don't want to take responsibility for the Palestinian mess they created). Yet, Mr. Elon's plan is easier and more sane than anything previously proposed to resolve the Palestinian issue.

a perishing minority
Who will listen to Mr. Benny Elon, he is a member of a small far- national movement. 3/4 of the israeli society have enough from risking the lives of the soldiers for the so-called Maachazim-heroes. The Chafetz Chaim foresaw that in the 4. generation the misrachi camp will become bankrupt. And the Mafdal turned together with Shinui against chareidi council-workers.

PM Elon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From Elon mouth to G*D's ears it should done. This is the best idea I have heard in a long time. Sharon says they need Jordan for tactical reasons????? Let him exlpain that remark. If Jordan agrees why can't it be done. World opinion has nothing to do with a deal between two countries. ISRAELIS THIS IS THE MESSAGE OF GOOD COMMON SENSE. INSIST ON IT AND KEEP TRYING TO WORK IT OUT WITH MK ELON. L"Shalom -- Mikek =====

Rav Benny inspires
Thank you Rav Benny for demonstrating that there is leadership in Israel. We have been starved for courage and finally the true leaders are beginning to emerge. Do not despair. Only by showing the world that we believe in our cause, Eretz Yisrael, will we gain respect and acceptance. Weakness of character only brings our own destruction.

Sharon said it, 17y.ago...but did not believe it
" The handgrip of Israël on his country, from Mediteranean sea until Jordan river , constitutes the first step of a peace between the Palestinians and us, despite the harsh difficulties and the numerous obstacles that still await us. The palestinian state already exists, east of the Jordan river: it is the kingdom of Jordan. This jordanian state which belongs to Israël's territory of which it occupies more than 2/3."

Positive thinking
I have not studied the plan in detail, but in terms of compaign platform it makes absolute sense to first have a platform, second know who is implenting and accoutable for it, and third know the exit strategy. On the first count, the Likud had a platform which got it elected. Sharon implemented some security aspects of the plan but eventually the Likud voted against disengagement but no one in the Likud was accoutable to the Likud public. Sharon took his own course, which is a party issue with the Likud that there were no internal controls. Then the plan was thrust on the voters, completely out of voter control. Peres proposed bringing about new elections to return the mandate to the voter. When he had the opportunity to do so, he instead decided to attempt join the Likud government without the Likud voter's approval! Only the right actually took steps to reasonably give the voters a choice. So not only does there need to be a long term diplomatic strategic plan, but also the checks and balances in the government and individual parties need to be reformulated to prevent the disaster where espionage is rewarded (AKA Peace Now sending photogaphs to Europe leading to Israel needing to expose itself for the US when legally it is a crime), and the supreme court basically taking over legislative function by together with the camp of the left having the power to overthrow the elected government and instead supporting non-citizen Arab rights over the rights of the Citizens of Israel, Arab or Jewish. There in essence needs to be a long term internal plan for government reform, too, to bring about a structure where there is a true partner on the Israeli side to deal with! The Israelis have gotten so adjusted to the slogan that Arafat is not a partner that there has never been a serious look at what Israel needs to do to be a more effective partner with its citizens, instead of fruitlessly moving them here and there. This is so much more important than whether Arafat is a partner, whether the Israeli Government is a slave driver or a partner for its citizens, that I see it as a prominent campaign issue also. That the Left is the party of peace is not true: it is a party of pieces blown up here and pieces blown up there as history has shown, a party of pieces of Israel tossed out here and tossed out there. The Right must present itself as a party of true peace versus the Left that is a party of pieces, carnage and destruction that it has shown itself to be. Especially with the budget being either considered or close to it, this is essential for the country of Israel: is it going to destroy its livelihood or move forward in peace? This is an optional war, this internal struglle within Israel, where the citizens and Government of Israel can decide whether clean government is the option of choice or not. And then, once Israeli citizens have a solid plan, it can be presented abroad if need-be. Without it, like in Gaza, there is just internal strife and turmoil which demands a peaceful solution. I think an important first step has been taken. The open question is whether the proposed action is going to be made comprehensive enough to be convincing and prevail.

To: Hanoch
It doesn't look like the Palestinian Arabs have developed any kind of "cultural history and nationhood" other than setting up a terrorist entity (with the help of the corrupt Israeli governments, of course)which is bent on the destruction of Israel. "A sure recipy for war" would be to continue keeping this entity in Israel as evidenced by more than three years of the bloody terrorist uprising coupled with the previous intifada and random acts of violence. Rabbi Elon's plan, which is reminiscent of that by the late Rabbi Kahane, is the only plan to date that looks right and makes perfect sense. All the other approaches have failed miserably and have done so at the cost of thousands of Jewish lives.

Excellent!
Mazeltov

stupid plan meant to serve only israel interests and their extremists
no Arab country should help in that, the same way jews got a home land Pals also should on their own land, the fact that millions of jews from europe showed up is not good enough of a reason for Pals to move from they own lands and resetlle somewhere else. the only solutions are either a country for all or two country for each. As far as the refugee they either have to move to the new Palestenian state or resettle elsewhere. It seems that some jews want to feel better about themselves by denying others the right to live free

to Sarah, Hanoch and the likes
Your comments assume that if only those making demands on behalf of "palestinians" will receive their "green-line borders" and such, peace will arrive and Jews and Arabs will live happily everafter. Arabs have not given Israel ANY reason to believe this. Having said that, I agree with you insofar as Jordan may not be thrilled by this plan -- yet this has nothing to do with a concern for "palestinians". Rather, it is Jordan's non-desire to help its brethren [in ways other than declaring what Israel should or shouldn't be doing] that may make it an unwilling partner in this plan.

Benny Elon's Plan
Benny Elon's plan provides the catalyst for working out a solution to who gets sovereignty in the West Bank (and Gaza). Redrawing the boundary between Jordan and Israel remains the only key to any such solution. The heavily populated Arab areas will become part of Jordan. The heavily populated Jewish areas will become part of Israel. Very few residents will have to move unless they want to do so because they find themselves on the wrong side of the new border. In such cases compensation would be paid to those who voluntarily chose to move. Gaza could be joined to Jordan by means of an underground or overhead expressway. The granting of sovereignty of the Arab areas to Jordan would return those territories to Arab control, a situation that existed between 1948-1967. It is time the Quartet addressed this solution to replace their ill conceived and fatally flawed road map that sought to wedge a second Arab State in Palestine between Jordan and Israel, the two successor States in former Palestine. Jordan and Israel have had a signed peace treaty since 1994. Redrawing the boundary bewteen their respective States would be done as an extention of that Treaty, which already provides for the peaceful resolution of such issues as refugees, water and Jerusalem. Jordan needs international support to help it achieve these objectives, eradicate the terrorist groups running rampant in the territories and rebuild the destroyed infrastructure resulting from 10 years of hopeless diplomacy. The sooner this help is forthcoming, the sooner some hope of sanity and normality might emerge to end the senseless killing and maiming of both Jews and Arabs that has turned what should be a paradise into a living hell.

Thank G-d
Thank G-d for one of the most honest, thought-out, implementable plans ever presented before the governments of Israel, Jordan, and the U.S. And from a "right-wing extremist" no less! MK Elon ought to sell it to the American Jews as well, so they pressure the leaders in the U.S. to go for it. May this plan be presented and accepted in a good and auspicious hour. The only remaining issue is, will the morons in the Israeli government stop handing guns to the Arabs long enough to look at the plan?

Kahane's Plan?
A new twist on Rabbi Kahane's(HY'D) plan to throw out the arabs from Judea & Shomron, but a good one anyhow. At least someone has the courage to say what has to be said. Kol Hakovod to Benny Elon.

At least I had a good laugh reading this...
Here I thought Mr. Elon had no sense of humor. Guess I was wrong, because this is funny stuff. I see so many pitfalls in this plan, that it makes Oslo look like a masterpiece. Besides the mutual hatreds and distrust on both sides... make that all three sides, I can't see how it would ever work. Come on, instead of a "land for peace", now we got a "cash for peace" plan. And heck, its not even Israel's money on top of that. Add to that, Jordan is a dictatorship, not a democracy. And it won't become a democracy with loads of cash in its pockets either. This plan isn't even worth the paper its printed on, but I'm willing to give MK Elon the benefit of the doubt and see if he can do something to help out Jordan today. You know, that whole building bridges stuff... Just one little thing, like convince Bush to up their aid or lessen or relieve a sore spot in the Israel/Jordan relationship. I willing to bet you money, he won't be able to!

you are wrong David Braun from Bnei Braq
David Braun- R. Kahane ztl, after introducing his plan received 10 -20 seats in the knesset right before he was banned.

Stupid Plan!
Not only because of unwilling Jordanians or Palestinians or Anti-Semitism- rather because that with the exception of Rav Benny Elon and a few other mad people (most of whom have written in- so 40, maybe?) everyone else in Israel has a firm grip on reality and isn't living in cloud cuckoo land.

Anti-Semites and anti-religious hate
the plan with all their gusto! The Arabs hate the plan for it stops their bloodlust from conveniently being accommodated. The plan is a thing of beauty and it gets better looking with each anti-religious and anti-Semetic raving!

PEACE will be finally achieved...
...when people finally starts to understand that this plan is the ONLY VIABLE alternative for peace in all the Middle East. A long-lasting peace, not a two-week pseudo-peace like the one promoted by pseudo-pacifists who receive money from the EU. Oslo has leaded Israel to war. Geneva may be (G-d forbid) the path of the war and destruction. And so the "disengagement". All these paths lead to war. The Elon Plan leads to peace. Elon is the real pacifist. Kol hakavod, Rabbi Elon!

You are donkey without of brain
It is a pain for me to ready this lunacy. I have family in Israel and I am not a side viewer. I think you need to begin to think how you are going to live when 60% of you production that you send to Europe would be stopped embargo. The ideots like you work realy hard to make it happend asap. Do you undestand that in last 4 years you lost all Europe and half of USA? When Karry and Co take over do you think who they gonna choose: you or Europe? With what you are takling about you are look as a donkey without brain. You want to get all and you are gonna get Arafat as a PM.

Close, but not perfect
I believe Rav Elon's plan is obviously better than the secularist alternatives proposed until now, but it still fails to completely address Israel's existential needs. This is so because the plan perpetuates the myth of the existence of the "Palestinian People"; a myth which gives the veneer of legitimacy to the Arab terror war against us. Shifting the terror base from Eretz Yisrael to Jordan, without delegitimizing the terrorists themselves, will simply move the front. In in all, though, it deserves our support.

Jordan is Palestine
I have always said that Jordan is Palestine, with the river Jordan being a natural border. The king of Jordan is married to a Palestinian so that cements the relationship between the Hashimites (who dont belong in the region) and the Palestinians so JORDAN IS PALESTINE

To Josef from Ariel
When Rav Kahane HY'D was so strong, so it was the time of the eighties in last century. The religious far right was powerful like the labor-party today. And they had a fightful pioneer spirit. The Mafdal-camp of today is bankrupt, sits together with Shinui and agrees with Shinui in all following points: Not paying salaries to chareidi council workers, civil marriages, pork and so on. Also in Likud they are only 130 delegates of the Feiglin-camp. And they will be the last people which will say ''No'' to withdrawal from Yesha in the case of total cease-fire. I am sure that if the PLO and Hamas order cease-fire for more years big parts of the Mafdal will agree with withdrawals; even Minister Zevulun Orlev has nothing against PLO-autonomy for 40% of Yesha. The Mafdal is totally divided; Orlev, Yahalom and another 3. person fight against Effie Eitam because he is too right for them. In a case of total cease-fire in half a year 90% of Yesha will handed over to Mr. Muhammad Dahlan. Then the pseudo-messianic soap-bubble of all polit-religious illusions from a so-called messianic process will collapse totally. Then you will understand that only 3 things bring redemption: Teshuva, Tefillah, Tzedakah. A physical sign of redemption must be the overwhelming monstrous size of fruits of both, fruit-trees and all tree-kinds which today don't carry fruits; that means, in the days of Moshiach the nature will change suddenly, all forests will carry fruits, from the cedar to the poplar-tree. Today in Golus time it does not happen. Also the taste is weak. In time of Moshiach the strong taste from the time of the Beis HaMikdash will come back.

Golden opportunity
Benny Elon's Right Road to Peace, is a golden opportunity to resolve the conflict on the Temple Mount. When Egypt's President Nasser was planning the Aswan Dam. The massive statues of Abu Simbal were threatend to be flooded. The UNESCO was able to raise enormous economic resources to move the monuments to a safe place. With Mr Elon's plan we have the oportunity to move the mosques on the Temple Mount, to a prominent location in Jordan facing Mecca, where Muslims direct their prayers. This is another way to bring peace to Jerusalem. Aaron Swirski, Architect

kadosh! kadosh! kadosh!
RIGHT plan! RIGHT time! RIGHT now! PLEASE G-D!